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Gorgias Contradiction

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The contradiction Gorgias makes when he said “… I supposed that if he does not posses this knowledge, he can learn these things also from me’ (460 a) is that Gorgias earlier stated that the orator is supposed to know the knowledge. That contradicted his statement because he implies, in that statement, that the orator doesn’t have the knowledge to explain. Then Gorgias would be able to know the knowledge, however, he wouldn’t be able to explain that knowledge because he wouldn’t know it. That’s why Socrates ask Gorgias “And, by this line of reasoning, isn’t a man who has learned what’s just a just man too?” (460 b). In which, Gorgias agrees. And Socrates asks Gorgias again, “now isn’t an orator necessary just, and doesn’t a just man necessarily
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