The next is moderation, which was “a certain kind of order and mastery of … pleasure and desires ”. To describe it well to Glaucon, Socrates used the phrase “stronger than himself”. He explained that moderation was “used when that which [was] better by nature [was] master over that which [was] worse”. What he meant by that was men with this virtue could control the things that were bad and would not let these things to control their body and soul. Socrates then told Glaucon to look at their “young city” and he could find moderation. Glaucon agreed, but Socrates quickly added that although the city was “stronger than itself” there were a lot of “desires, pleasures, and pains”. Although they had these, the city had still “intelligence, right