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Socrates Vs Plato

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Starting from scratch, Socrates in Book II of Plato’s The Republic attempts to visualise an ideal city in order to explore further the notion of political justice and where it fits within the boundaries of that city. He attempts to figure out the essential components that a utopia of his time’s standards needs to consist of and initially proposes a model of a city characterised by simplicity, moderation and the production of resources just enough to satisfy people’s basic needs. Glaucon, on the other hand, calls this model a “city of pigs” initiating further discussion as to what is necessary, ideal and appropriate for a human being. He insists on introducing luxury on all aspects and other elements necessary for the symposium (which was considered
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Socrates contradicts Gorgias when he says “Communities shouldn’t hold trainers responsible and banish them for what a boxer does with his boxing” (Socrates 22). So Socrates questions how they would be immoral if they were taught to be moral. He uses logos to win his argument against Gorgias by having him admit to Socrates being right. Gorgias thinks a teacher cannot be accountable but then admits people who are taught morality don’t necessarily have to be moral. When a rhetorician abuses the power of rhetoric, his teacher should not be blamed because he teaches the knowledge to be used correctly.

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In Plato’s, The Republic, Book I, Socrates tries to prove to Thrasymachus “whether just people also live better and are happier than unjust ones” (352d). He argues that everything has a predisposed proficiency at a function, and that this functions are performed well by the peculiar virtue and badly by means of its vice (353a-353d) . The point of this paper is to present Socrates argument and evaluate it to the best of my ability. This argument can be categorized as an inductive generalization. Socrates states that the function of anything is what it alone can do or what it does best.

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HUM2225 Dr. Hotchkiss September 30, 2016 Moral Insight Plato’s Euthyphro is based on a lesson between Socrates and Euthyphro outside of the Athenian court about the definition of pious or impious. Euthyphro was surprised to see Socrates there and even more curious to find out why he was there. Socrates explained that the court was persecuting him for impiety because Meletus was spreading rumors about him corrupting the Athenian youth. Euthyphro explains to Socrates that he was there to prosecute his father for murdering a farm worker named Dionysus.

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Response Paper 1: Plato’s Symposium Plato’s symposium wad seven speeches, but two that really made me think were from Phaedrus and Aristophanes. Phaedrus has mentioned that love is the oldest god. It is the highest good that tries to guide men. He tries to explain that love is so strong that is even exceeds honor and has the ability to please the gods. Many people have tried to fight for love and by fighting in the name of love the gods are honored.

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Plato claims that human beings desire beautiful things and that they desire beautiful things so much that they want to make beautiful things their own. This is because beautiful things, such as the five steps of beautiful things on the staircase of beauty, make human beings happy. Kant claims that personal happiness is not a good incentive for human behavior because it is too uncertain. A better incentive is the highest good, which is the marriage between duty and universal happiness.

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Persuasion is an essential element to democracy as it is invoked in nearly every sphere of political speech and communication. Yet, American citizens tend to view political rhetoric as being deceitful or empty. Rhetoric is thus a key element to democracy while “…paradoxically appearing either useless or pernicious” (Kane 1). One consequence of this paradox is that politicians are forced to abandon a creative rhetorical style in favor of an “un-rhetorical” and plain, informative way of speaking. Thus, modern political rhetoric is rapidly becoming devoid of any emotion - seemingly fact-based and dry, while lacking passion or innovation.

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Though many people take Socrates to be an expert in the fields in which he questions others, Socrates denies any ability to do things very well, and understands the oracle as saying that the wisest of men are men like Socrates who simply and honestly accept that their wisdom is not enough. Socrates replies to Meletus that, in doing harm to others and hurting all of society, Socrates would also be hurting himself, as a member of society. But the oath Meletus himself drew up against Socrates claims that Socrates believes, and teaches others to believe, in supernatural matters. Since the only kinds of supernatural beings, according to Socrates, are gods and children of the gods, it must follow that Socrates believes in gods, opposite to Meletus'

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In The Republic, Socrates has some interesting views on the idea of what it means to be just and what a perfect and just society would look like. To me, some of his ideas made sense, while others seemed ridiculous. Despite some of Socrates’s faulty ideas, the way he uses reasoning and examples to justify his thoughts is noteworthy. Socrates seems to place wisdom, justice, and goodness above all other virtues, and he repeatedly comes back to these themes when he describes the perfect state and people who should live in it. First of all, I appreciated the way Plato wrote down Socrates’s words and thoughts.

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Socrates started his life as an average Athen citizen. His parents worked, making an honest living. But as Socrates grew up, he began to realize that his mind questioned things and wondered how come no one else questioned the same things or at least think about the answers to the questions that were not answered. So, as his mind kept wandering, he began to acknowledge the questions that were not answered and sought for those answers. He ended up believing and teaching things to other people, whether it went against the way the Athen government or not, he still continued his work.

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Was Plato trying to show what an ‘unjust’ city would look like? Why would he do that? The analysis and discussion of Plato’s ‘just’ city opens new doors about Plato, himself, and his intentions. From this analysis on the city’s short comings, one can spring more and more ideas about his ‘republic’ and his ‘ideals’ forever. This one analysis is only a small interpretation, or perspective of a small portion, or passage of The

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Both Meno and Socrates evidently seemed to have contrasting attitudes in regards to the concept of virtue, as seen in the opening section of the Meno dialogue. Meno initiates the dialogue with Socrates by questioning whether or not Socrates knows what virtue is, specifically the way it is acquired by humans (Meno, 70a). However, Socrates does not give him a concrete answer, but rather a history of Thessaly (a blessed area), comparing it to Athens (a non-blessed area), in regards to wisdom (70a-71a). In Athens, nobody knows what virtue is or how it is obtained, including Socrates himself, when he says “I share the poverty of my fellow citizens in this matter.”

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PHIL 243 First Essay Dogachan Dagi In the Republic, Socrates substantially argues that under right conditions Kallipolis which literally means ‘the ideal political state’ can be created. He presents very reasonable arguments about how to achieve and preserve the Kallipolis throughout Book V. However, this essay will strongly claim that Socrates’s Kallipolis is mostly not achievable, and if somehow achieved simply not sustainable. The main problem about his ideal city is the fact that too many regulations go against individual liberties and human nature.

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1:30 Out of all the speeches in the Symposium, Agathon’s speech appears to lack depth when compared to the others. However, Agathon’s speech plays an important role in the Symposium in relation to Socrates’ speech. The ideas in Agathon’s and Socrates’ speeches don’t align perfectly with each other because each speech is a logical progression of ideas that peaks with Socrates’ speech. Understand that this logical progression of ideas grows from speech to speech, where each speech builds off the last, which makes Agathon’s speech the platform that Socrates’ speech builds upon.

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Both Plato and Aristotle hold that democracy is inefficient for various reasons. However, I wouldn’t necessarily conclude that both philosophers consider democracy bad per se. Plato and Aristotle’s critiques of democracy seem to stem from their metaphysical conceptions of human nature and how that nature has influenced human beings to interact with their environment. Democracy, or any form of government, is an extension of human nature because our existence precedes that of the state’s. In other words, political structures are completely dependent on human nature.

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In Plato’s book Republic, he outlines the ideal just society. Through his written dialogue, Plato describes the ideal city. He calls this city Kallipolis and that is where I am from. Kallipolis means beautiful city. The city was outlined to be a healthy city where justice prevails.

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